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| Welp, this episode actually covers the medical side of its story. I'm surprised it took this long that Takao got sued for supposingly malpractice. She dealt with this problem in the best way she could tbh. The person that filed the lawsuit was trying to extort money from her. Such a corupt world... |
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| The smartest and cutest doctor of all time is back once again. Hopefully no more delays. Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. Yeah, I was expecting to hear it from Takao's mouth. Those are very sad cases in real life as well. Poor kids. :( "The General Diagnosis Department will remain unchanged." Yay! |
SerafosFeb 19, 10:19 PM
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| Damn we come back from a week off to my baby Takao being sued AND placed on probation because of a bogus lawsuit. It's CRAZY to me how you can contribute so much good shit and save so many lives in such a short span and the second something goes wrong the hospital just wanna sack you. I get reputation and all, but surely you give Takao a chance to defend herself and prove the lying bitch wrong, right? Imagine poisoning and damn near killing your own child for sympathy and a bogus lawsuit. Gross. Some people really do not deserve children. As soon as I peeped it was the kid from the first episode, I knew the mom was behind it again. Japan's equivalent of CPS should have been on alart after that, but to put your kid life in danger AGAIN for no legitimate reason is inexcusable. She needs to permanently lose motherhood privileges. LMAO at Takao saying she would make the mom apologize and admit her guilt in front of everyone and she did just that. Cmon now, I knew my GOAT would never misdiagnose an illness. Her uncle should have more faith in her and support her in the face of a board who clearly don't like her. Like your niece is a genius, be proud! Poor Kotori still on the hook for Mai's bike. She should give him a break or at least meet him halfway. OR file an insurance claim!! Omg that ending scene was too sad. 8 years old battling Leukemia.. I feel like this is gonna be one of the first cases we have had where Takao fails and doesn't save a patient, especially coming off the high of this case where she proved herself a medical genius again. She's still human and this is not a supernatural series so people will die and she'll have to push thru that. Excited for this next arc. |
Marinate1016Feb 19, 10:54 AM
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| I heard of this syndrome before so pretty much figured out what was going on at the start of the episode. Still it was an ok episode and we got the see Takao again so it was a good thing. |
| The evils of grapefruit. Well at least a lawsuit and future were all dashed in one mystery solving. |
| Feels like the director is against the whole purpose of the department to begin with. Funny that the other party was the family of the kid who was feeling ill because they kept stuffing him with Blueberries. Still its unfortunate but this case also showed well the kind of pressures that raising children can have on their parents as well. That report that Takao received near the end sure was a grim one. Leukemia at age 8 is just so tragic. |
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| So glad that Takao was able to save the boy I just can't believe his mother would be that wicked to poison her own child. |
| The sighs across the room immediately after Takao's uncle declared her department would be saved cracked me up so hard, especially after just finished watching one of her signature performances from a front-row seat lmao And man, the shot of the mom staring while poisoning her son in real time is straight unhinged.  |
| Too bad… Since I watch a lot of medical series, I already suspected that the mother was poisoning her son. But I didn't expect him to have Munchausen. Still, this was the best episode so far without resorting to over-the-top police drama. And it seems that the next episode will continue in the same vein: childhood leukemia. Sounds sad, but very interesting. |
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| Right from the first 2 minutes, this show continues to spew weird nonsense. - How is the "bizarre ER incident" Takao's fault? I assume the hospital director is talking about the old guy catching fire in the previous case? Takao didn't do anything to cause that... Does he have some kind of proof or grounds for suspicion? And a doctor can't do anything about a patient walking in with some bizarre condition. It's like blaming firefighters for house fires occurring. Even if the director was being unfair, this makes no sense in any context... - A doctor being sued for misdiagnosis is enough of a reason to blow away an entire department? Because the very existence of a lawsuit makes the hospital look bad? It makes the hospital looks bad if they DO shut her down, no? They're sort of admitting guilt, or at least makes them look like they have something to hide or apologize for. What organizations usually do is suspend the employee until they get to the bottom of this and or get through the lawsuit. If hospitals got rid of doctors and departments for every frivolous lawsuit, there wouldn't be any hospitals left... - The hospital wants to punish a doctor for a misdiagnosis, and they still let the doctor run around the hospital, investigating the same case? Even if the hospital wants to protect the doctor, they'd keep her far away from the case that got her in trouble in the first place... Why would they trust her to not mess it up even further? They know what she's like, they probably should've assigned security guards to keep her away from the patient. Also, it's just really bad optics, and needlessly provokes the other party in the lawsuit. It's like allowing a police officer to investigate their own corruption or shooting of a suspect. (The fact that this does happen is beside the point, everyone understands that this is stupid and problematic) - And the mom allows the same doctor to examine her child again... WHY?! Why did she even come to the same hospital in the first place??? A normal mother would've refused examination and driven her off. If the doctor tried to approach, she would've got in front of her child and called for security. Isn't it entirely reasonable and within her right to refuse examination from a specific staff member (provided it's not an urgent life-threatening situation)? And a mother with Munchausen by Proxy would've definitely gone to a different hospital, which is a common pattern they follow to cover their tracks. The writers have already touched on this tactic in the previous case with domestic abuse victims, so why did they forget about it this time? Were they worried that the viewers would figure it out too quickly? - This kind of thing just keeps popping up... Another sloppy episode... It's not even the medicine, it's just basic logic and believability in the writing. (On the medical side: I think Munchausen by Proxy is way too common in movies and TV, even non-medical ones... It was a little obvious when someone mentioned early on that the mother was very protective and making specific demands from the hospital; the fact that she was a nurse sealed the deal for me) |
perseiiFeb 19, 11:46 AM
| I knew it had to be Munchausen's by proxy as soon as it was mentioned Momoka was also a nurse. She misused her training to poison her son without any poisons; the combination of the grapefruit juice and carbamazepine for his seizures was what was deadly. With that, the lawsuit is void, and so is the meeting to dissolve Ameku Takao's department. |
Fortress_MaximusFeb 19, 3:34 PM
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| Yeah definitely guessed the non-accidental poisoning after knowing the mom is a nurse, but didn't expect it to happen because she wants to be a tragic heroine. TIL mental illness that endangers only the other person exists. Animation is kinda butchered here but the voice acting and story are still very interesting so I'm okay with it. |
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| The animation / drawing quality really went downhill on this one, totally unpolished. Aniplex should a) have a realistic schedule b) Work with A1 Pictures & Cloverworks only when animating important anime series. |
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Little Doctor Takao is back! And... What? Why are they trying to fire her on my birthday? |
| It was obvious that mother was poisoning her for sympathy and pats on the back. This shit happens quite often in real life and sometimes leads to even a kid dying. |
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| Yeah, for everyone’s sake, stay in the hospital. Let Ameku solve a mystery with her medical knowledge, the storytelling and pacing in this episode improved right away because of it. But god man, I knew the production was ass for this show, just like the story lolol, but after the first delay, I had hope because it didn't look as bad as I thought it would've. Not great, but not as bad... ... That was not the case for this episode though. The AD work in this episode was straight ASS. Animation and facial expressions specifically. Really am just sticking with this show just to see if it'll become another Sasakoi, and so far, it is looking that way. Aniplex/PN9 try to have a healthy production challenge: impossible. |
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Yet another reason to despise grapefruit, beyond its atrocious flavor! And I called it in the mother's first appearance: she was poisoning her child; I just didn't realize it was intentional. What a horrible person
| @popa910 Keep in mind that she suffers from an untreatable mental illness. She's not evil per se, just deeply unwell. |
| Takao just practically admitted to being autistic when she began talking about how she can't interpret emotions or social cues lol. I do think that her character is intentionally modeled after a stereotypical autistic person for the sake of storytelling and character development, since these things clearly play into the plot and are not just quirky personality traits. The animation quality for this episode got butchered. Like, man, this was rather terrible compared to previous ones; they delayed it by one week and it still was a disaster. |
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deltahalo241 said: shouldn't the results from the test have shown that the juice in the carton didn't match? To be fair, I don't think lab results would show what kind and what flavor of juice it is... Only the nutritional and chemical content. Possibly not even that, because they were mainly checking for poison. On the other hand, they could've just used their eyeballs and noticed that this carton of pineapple juice was grapefruit-colored... On the other OTHER hand, the mother might've been swapping the juice right before she was feeding her son, so the cartons that the doctors took away from the fridge might have still had the original contents. On the other other OTHER hand, when Kotori barged into the boardroom with the juice cartons, they already had syringe holes and had their contents swapped out... which begs the question, why were those swapped out in advance? Or maybe Kotori caught the mother right after she finished the swapping..? So many questions, the more I think about it... |
Takao just practically admitted to being autistic when she began talking about how she can't interpret emotions or social cues lol. I do think that her character is intentionally modeled after a stereotypical autistic person for the sake of storytelling and character development, since these things clearly play into the plot and are not just quirky personality traits. Pretty much my thoughts during the scene, though I am a bit biased. However, I have a slight problem with the the resolution. How is Takao so sure about the mother's syndrome? I agree she's the most likely culprit, but even then, this syndrome can't be the only possibility given the information she had. |
| great ep poor child, this will be hard for him to recover from that his mum tried to kill him... |
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| Favorite episode so far. |
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The animation / drawing quality really went downhill on this one, totally unpolished. Aniplex should a) have a realistic schedule b) Work with A1 Pictures & Cloverworks only when animating important anime series.
| @falko92 Yeah I was shocked by it, I mean I figured that given the previous delays it was just that they jumped the gun on their scheduling a bit much since it was already ahead. But what the actual heck is this? Literally constantly having face shape changes every frame and nothing looks finished. I can get behind an anime for having episodes with worse animation than others when it makes sense but even then the art and such still has to be finished and polished at the very least. |
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@falko92 Yeah I was shocked by it, I mean I figured that given the previous delays it was just that they jumped the gun on their scheduling a bit much since it was already ahead. But what the actual heck is this? Literally constantly having face shape changes every frame and nothing looks finished. I can get behind an anime for having episodes with worse animation than others when it makes sense but even then the art and such still has to be finished and polished at the very least.
| @MewsicMagic Yes! Those head/face shape changes made me write this when I was halfway through or so...I wasnt believing it! I don't want to be a hater either and I will keep watching this for sure, but man, this drop in quality was Uzumaki's level. |
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@MewsicMagic Yes! Those head/face shape changes made me write this when I was halfway through or so...I wasnt believing it!
I don't want to be a hater either and I will keep watching this for sure, but man, this drop in quality was Uzumaki's level.
I don't want to be a hater either and I will keep watching this for sure, but man, this drop in quality was Uzumaki's level.
| @falko92 At least it's not as bad as Kimisen S2, that one's probably had near the worst I've ever seen, so unacceptable they had to restart the show from the beginning. Even this here is still bad enough that if they don't fix it for the Blu-ray release it's still unacceptable. I get that in general it's somehow become harder to animate shows well despite the vastly superior technology we have now, but there's a minimum bar for production quality ANY show needs to have and most just can't seem to hit it. My 2c, it's probably aniplex's fault or whoever has the control over most of this project, this episode clearly needed more time to get finished but wasn't given that and it better still be finished for the Blu-ray because a person who buys on Blu-ray does it for the quality over streaming 95% of the time. Myself included. I mean doing project management is rough, I've had some experience seeing and living it myself, but it's clearly just getting worse and worse each year that goes by. This can't even be blamed on outside factors that aren't controllable at some point the responsible persons have to be able to figure it out. I'll be crossing my fingers that the later episodes are more complete by their air date, and ofc praying that future anime I like doesn't end up on this depressing mismanagement era we're living in. |
| This series really is at its finest when it's at the hospital, doing and discussing the medical investigative work and solving cases of patients onsite, and mired deep in the muck of the hospital office politics and drama. This was probably my favorite episode, at least since the first two of the double-parted opener and in some ways surpassed those as well, even though the case itself in terms of the actual medical hows was a little more straightforward and simple and decidedly less flashy and attention-grabbing as the exciting spectacle of a mutilated blue-blooded man. How the pharmacokinetics of how any given individual metabolizes a particular drug can be altered to quickly turn into another iatrogenic (not in this case as it was a deliberate premeditated plot from an outside party) and injurious or even lethal scenario should be more widely understood as it is as fundamental as it gets. The important thing of it here though is that the human dimension which gave rise to the entire case coming about in the first place - and the fallout it created within the hospital, was a good deal more interesting. I prefer being more regularly anchored to the hospital because while these types of shows are a dime a dozen in the 45 minute long American medical procedural live action type shows, as I said early on, it's the first time I'm seeing it in anime form so that's what differentiates it. Takao investigating cases more closely at the source on the scene, where a person was allegedly infected or injured at their house or some cave sounds great in theory and like a nice opportunity for a setting and scenery change, for people who prefer to keep things "fresh", and maybe sometimes it can be utilized well, but other times I fear it will just be an excuse for more action detective "heroics" and the Sherlock Holmes police investigator-esque shows are already commonplace enough. Grounding it in the hospital is what sets this show apart. It helped that in a rare moment of - not necessarily honesty because I feel that she's always honest, at least whenever it matters/counts - but rare instance of honesty giving way to sharing emotional vulnerability, Takao in effect admitted her neurodivergence, motive for her usual behavior, and why she prioritizes and places such a premium on what she does. It's clear as day that the fraudulent frivolous lawsuit was irrelevant as an actual cause to shut down her department, but as an excuse for her uncle, the hospital director, who wanted to use it to monopolize and centralize power in the hospital under his authority and keep Takao on a much tighter leash at his discretion to be used as a tool and not a more independent voice and agent - for that purpose it was absolutely perfect. Or would have been if it didn't implode in short order. Well, in the end, all was right with the world and Takao and co. could indulge in celebratory beer, whisky, and strawberry shortcake. What a comfortable informal circle they have when they're not in the midst of carrying out their professional duties. I won't say "when off the clock" or "when late at night", because in their position those aren't always the decisive factors separating duty from rest. From the last few seconds of the episode and the preview title card indicating it's a multi-parter, it could be another in-depth dive into an established former patient and why they aren't improving or their original illness is returning and recurring. That could be the center of the next mystery. If it continues in that way as we move through the second half of the season/series, then it could quickly recover from the moderate writing cock-up of the prior small arc. I don't know if that'll be enough for it to reclaim its place, first place, as my leading favorite new seasonal of this season and dethrone Tasokare Hotel, but more episodes in the vein of this one are its best shot. Edit: Since I just read the whole thread topic and all the other comments now, I wanted to add that in reference to what a number of people are saying about the quality hit the art suffered, I did take brief notice in passing of some off-model-looking characters which stood out while watching the episode, but it's truthfully just something very inconsequential to me compared to the writing when evaluating either the individual episode or overall series as a whole. |
WatchTillTandavaFeb 20, 9:00 PM
| At first I thought it was trace amounts of cyanide that was making So sick. After all, the seeds in apples contain it. |
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@MewsicMagic Are they possibly using AI for this show? If so, I'll drop it immediately; I don't want to support stealing artists' work
| @popa910 Definitely not, it's quite clear that this art was drawn by a person just like the last episodes, it would've looked far different from previous episodes in a very different way if it was AI. Most likely they're so rushed to get it "complete" enough by the air date that they don't have time to actually draw it all in properly and refine it. Just make it move when it has to, speed draw the characters in, doesn't matter if they look off, and of course get the full 24 minutes of the episode drawn enough to be watchable, then release. That's most likely all it was, and in that case I don't blame the animators for trying to get it as "complete" as they could before the episode had to release to us since they don't control the schedule. But it's still a shame we have to receive the show in this unpolished and poor state. |
| 2 delays and the art quality in this episode is looking like total dogshit half the time. Better episode than the last 3, but at what cost? |
| This is way more of what I want the show to be. Less Columbo, more House, it's the bae back in her element. Also, I winced as soon as they said grapefruit, I've been told about how it clashes with medication before. I figured it was something where she was trying to "help" the kid out of stubbornness, not actual poison though. I enjoyed the "I'll retract the lawsuit!" "Nah bitch, you goin to jail" part the most. |
cj_iwakuraFeb 20, 9:29 PM
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| Felt like that was an episode to get the series back on-track a bit more. The last three got too far away from the "medical" and more into pure detective work. Having watched a lot of medical TV shows/Law and Order growing up, I was wondering when we'd get a Munchausen's appearance, and alas, it's here even sooner than I expected. The mystery behind the juice poisoning is exactly what I'm wanting from this show, where it's far-fetched but, makes just enough sense to not require a complete suspension of belief. |
| Now that was nice, big solution, just a bit expected, but i was wondering if she was doing it intentionally or not. Yep lots of dr House before xD |
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